08/07/2026
There is a phase in every business where nothing feels clear
You are trying different things
testing ideas
figuring out what works
And most people stop there
In this episode, Kelly and Shawn Sundsvold sit down with Max Lowy to talk about what happens next
The shift from experimenting
to building something that actually scales
Because growth is not just about finding what works
It is about turning that into a system
Something repeatable
something reliable
something that does not depend on guesswork
That is where real growth begins
What have you figured out but still haven’t turned into a system
Might be the thing holding you back