17/06/2026
Think leadership means sitting at the top and delegating everything?
Jamie Johannes runs a thriving multi-location martial arts business and he was cleaning the toilets and working reception this morning. His take: if you cannot lead by example, people will not get on board. It is that simple. This conversation with Liz is packed with honest insight about what building and leading a real business actually looks like. Listen now at thevisualmarketingpodcast.com or find us on your favourite podcast app.