07/27/2026
Mavis Gragg is the CEO of HeirShares and works with families trying to hold onto land that's been passed down for generations, sometimes with a will, often without one, and almost always with a few relatives who don't agree on what happens next. It's called heirs property, and the more we talked, the less it sounded like a legal issue and the more it sounded like family history.
I'm a white woman who grew up in North Carolina and have to admit, I had no idea what happened to Black land ownership after slavery ended, or how many families are still land rich and cash poor because of it. But what struck me listening to Mavis is that she doesn't want this framed as only a Black issue, and she's right. She said it plainly: the history is real, and the impact has disproportionately fallen on Black families, but what actually decides whether a family keeps their land is access; to legal help, to trust, to knowledge most of us take for granted.
Mavis's great-grandmother, a Black domestic worker in western North Carolina, bought land in her own name in 1932 and built a house on it with her husband. Her father's great-aunt, also a domestic worker, later bought a home that stayed in her name alone. After Mavis's parents died in a car accident, she said being a lawyer hadn't given her any power to stop her family from losing their childhood home.
I love the direction podcast production has taken me; I thought I'd be learning about audio engineering, mixing, and mastering, but turns out I'm learning some history too! π€